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[16:09] <notting> who is note-taking?
[16:09] <mdomsch> I can
[16:09] <mdomsch> who all is here?
[16:09] <mdomsch> seth, bill, paul, matt, chris
[16:09] <notting> currently online:
[16:09] f13 (i=jkeating@fedora/ender) joined #fedora-board.
[16:09] <mdomsch> seth and chris debate yum speedups
[16:09] <notting> mdomsch, skvidal, notting, gregdek, jeremy, blizzard, stickster, rdieter
[16:09] <mdomsch> gdk joins
[16:10] Action: f13 waves hi to the board
[16:10] Action: mdomsch waves at f13
[16:10] Action: mmcgrath lurks in the background
[16:11] <mdomsch> chris - "yum is 2x as fast" would be a nice thing to say for FC7
[16:11] <mdomsch> seth - I like testing on the OLPC system because it's got so little memory
[16:11] <mdomsch> it's easier to see what the problem is
[16:11] <mdomsch> gdk - fudcon
[16:12] <mdomsch> gdk - barcamp.org/FUDConBoston  or something like taht
[16:12] <stickster> http://barcamp.org/FudconBoston2007
[16:13] <mdomsch> gdk - venue, food in place, additional sponsorship?
[16:13] <f13> drinks for the geeks?
[16:13] <mdomsch> hackfest saturday
[16:13] <f13> say Rockstar or redbull sponsorship?
[16:13] <mdomsch> f13: if someone ponies up
[16:13] <stickster> Now yer talking
[16:14] <f13> they do things like that for lan parties, this is just a lan party of a different variety
[16:14] <mdomsch> gdk to send invitations this week
[16:14] <mdomsch> notting - hotels?
[16:14] <stickster> Residence Inn++
[16:14] <stickster> I stayed there for last FUDCon, nice and not pricey... on habor
[16:14] <stickster> *harbor
[16:15] <mdomsch> gdk - will ask paul stoffer  & matt miller about hotels / logistics / events
[16:16] <mdomsch> red hat is sponsoring most of it, but additional sponsorship would be nice
[16:17] <stickster> f13: Know anybody at pogo who might be interested in helping?
[16:17] <stickster> vis-a-vis a bit o' groundwork
[16:17] <f13> stickster: meh, I can ask, but I'm not hopeful.  They've gone a bit downhill in the realm of community involvement.
[16:17] <f13> what would they "get" out of it?
[16:18] <stickster> Just heard your name come up on the phone :-)
[16:18] <mdomsch> open to everyone - if you need travel assistance, ask
[16:18] <f13> heh
[16:18] <f13> mdomsch: I could use a Charlie Ticket...
[16:18] Action: f13 ducks
[16:19] <mdomsch> chris - should invite someone from mozilla doc project
[16:19] <mdomsch> friday - lots of presentations
[16:19] <mdomsch> need to get some presentations written before then :-)
[16:20] <mdomsch> jeremy - evangelism
[16:21] <f13> How to spin your own Fedora
[16:21] <mdomsch> (new topic)
[16:21] Action: stickster was worried up until 30 sec ago whether anyone wanted him there all weekend
[16:21] <stickster> Is good to be luvved
[16:21] <mdomsch> RH Eng Mgmt agrees on merging Core & Extras
[16:22] <mdomsch> chris - today's his birthday!
[16:22] <mdomsch> and this is his present
[16:22] <blizzard> my bday present!
[16:22] <blizzard> woo!
[16:22] <stickster> It's my sister's birthday too... <keanu>whoa</keanu>
[16:22] <blizzard> hehe
[16:23] <stickster> It's your burfday... Go Blizzard... it's your burfday
[16:23] Action: notting wonders if blizzard is joining him on the wrong side of 30
[16:23] <blizzard> 33
[16:23] <notting> woo! i'm less old!
[16:23] <blizzard> haha
[16:23] <f13> old farts
[16:23] <blizzard> <-- old
[16:23] <stickster> *#$&!  I'm more old.
[16:23] <BobJensen> So young...
[16:24] <mdomsch> jeremy - it may make sense to add another RH person (from RH Eng) to the Board after this
[16:25] <mdomsch> to represent RHEL's interests in Fedora
[16:25] <mdomsch> Board would vote
[16:28] <mdomsch> topic - Bill's note to F-A-B
[16:28] <f13> Is there suggested wiki space to start fleshing out details regarding the deliverables that Bill posted to FAB list?  I'd like to get wiki pages going for defining the desktop/server spins, etc...
[16:28] <mmcgrath> hmm
[16:28] <mdomsch> chris - jesse needs minions
[16:28] <stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FC7Future ?
[16:29] <blizzard> or just F7
[16:29] <blizzard> F7Features
[16:29] <stickster> +1
[16:29] <f13> +1 to which?  (:
[16:29] <stickster> F7Features
[16:29] <mdomsch> f13 should just be accountable for the build system stuff
[16:29] <f13> mdomsch: community folks can be minions.  Just unpaid ones (:
[16:29] <mdomsch> karma
[16:30] <f13> mdomsch: I don't mind the other things, accountable != do all the work.
[16:30] <f13> just making sure the work gets done.
[16:30] <mdomsch> chris - can't have Dan for full-time boot speedup time improvements
[16:30] <stickster> jeremy - we need someone for wireless and NetworkManager stuff
[16:30] <mdomsch> or wireless
[16:32] <mdomsch> banter...
[16:33] <stickster> all - Send suggestions, corrections, improvements to list thread; beat this about the head and shoulders and then put on wiki
[16:34] Action: stickster thinks he needs to redouble efforts to get packaging up to shape for F7
[16:34] <stickster> sorry, s/packaging/Docs packaging/
[16:34] <mdomsch> who wants to be the "F7 Status Person" - e.g. Program Manager
[16:35] <mdomsch> notting - not exactly volunteering
[16:35] <mdomsch> notting volunteers
[16:35] <stickster> notting was trapped under something heavy
[16:35] <f13> if nobody else wants to,s ince I own most of them anyway....
[16:35] <mdomsch> chris - should have a PM pumpkin
[16:35] <mdomsch> pass it around
[16:35] <f13> I volunteer as well.
[16:37] <mdomsch> f13 - thanks, but you can be the release manager
[16:37] <mdomsch> but you'd be overloaded being the PM pumpkin
[16:38] <stickster> Various - Is it a problem with mostly RH people being on the chopping blocks?
[16:38] <stickster> greg - not as long as we keep things transparent.
[16:38] <mdomsch> jeremy - LiveCD
[16:39] <f13> stickster: nothing more motivating than a paycheck.
[16:39] <stickster> f13: +2
[16:39] <f13> hard to hound community people's managers.
[16:40] <stickster> ...silence...
[16:40] <mdomsch> skvidal - documentation
[16:41] <stickster> *about RPM in particular
[16:41] <mdomsch> oldrpm.org
[16:42] <mdomsch> skvidal adding a link from rpm.org to oldrpm.org
[16:42] <f13> hrm.
[16:42] <f13> content blurb on top of oldrpm.org isn't exactly friendly
[16:43] <mmcgrath> f13: no, its not.  Its not exactly true either.
[16:44] <mdomsch> chris - 2500 SRPMS in extras
[16:44] <mdomsch> notting - 1000 SRPMS in Core
[16:45] <mdomsch> chris - debian has 6800
[16:45] <mdomsch> chris - not a small feat
[16:45] Action: mmcgrath notes if numbers mattered we'd just run out to cpan...
[16:45] <mdomsch> jeremy looks up number of package owners
[16:45] <f13> metrics suck.
[16:46] <f13> using metrics to try and say "We're better than you" sucks even more.
[16:46] <mdomsch> jeremy - 237 package owners in extras
[16:46] <mdomsch> ~50 are from RH
[16:46] <mdomsch> roughly
[16:46] <mdomsch> plus those with packages in Core but don't have anything in extras
[16:47] <mdomsch> pushes it over 250
[16:47] <mdomsch> skvidal - put a "contributors... and counting" chart
[16:48] <mdomsch> on the front page
[16:48] <mdomsch> skvidal - get data from account system
[16:48] <stickster> mmcgrath owns metrics... people are nominating him
[16:49] <mdomsch> mmcgrath, you want to own keeping the stats?
[16:49] <mmcgrath> I'll take it.
[16:49] <stickster> mmcgrath: You are a scholar and a gentleman
[16:49] <mmcgrath> Yeah, I'm actually working on a hardware reporter right now.
[16:49] <blizzard> mmcgrath: ahh, talk to me goose
[16:51] <mmcgrath> I've been doing metrics via cacti for the most part, if anything else needs to be monitored let me know and I'll get something implemented.
[16:51] <mdomsch> seth - wants to keep evangelizing "free" vs "functional"
[16:52] <mdomsch> gdk - codec buddy
[16:52] Action: stickster sees a glorious future in a metabuddy framework for legal, politic, codec, *-buddy
[16:53] <notting> my buddy and me?
[16:53] <f13> *sigh*
[16:53] <mdomsch> chris, gdk - hardware data capture stuff
[16:53] <f13> clue-buddy
[16:53] <mdomsch> rhn up2date client code can be a good start
[16:54] <mdomsch> used to run kudzu, now uses lshal
[16:55] Action: mdomsch will send rhn-client-tools to mike
[16:56] <mmcgrath> that will be most helpful with what I've been working on, danke.
[16:56] <mdomsch> meeting adjourned
[16:56] <stickster> And with that...
[16:56] <mdomsch> next meeting in January
[16:56] <stickster> Happy holidays, everyone!
[16:57] <f13> Happy non-holidays to the athiests too
[16:57] <notting> well in the UK sense of 'time off from work', they have holidays too, most likely
[16:57] <mmcgrath> f13 :-)
[17:00] <stickster> Happy secular vacation
[17:00] Action: stickster goes off to eat dinner before LUG meeting
[17:00] Nick change: stickster -> stickster_afk
[17:04] <notting> enjoy trading the office mates for relatives :)
[17:04] <mmcgrath> heh
